Regarding Tiny Tove.

[GoinBlind]

Gents, let's take a deep breath and relax! "Tove Jensen was born in Sweden in April 1958." That's a quote from her website. Her first film was in 1979. Also from her website. I realize it's not concrete proof, but she was famous for her young looks. Unless Rabbit or the other mods decide otherwise, I see no reason to delete her posts. If someone can give evidence to the contrary, I'll search all the forums and delete the posts myself. GB

[shadowwolf]

GB...I know that I'm not all there...could you, per chance, bring me up to speed on this matter? If she was born in 1958...she turns 48 this year. ( I know...I hit the big one this year...I was born in 1956 ). And if Her work was in the late 70's to mid-80's...She was over the limit...right? I think so...but, I've been wrong before.

[peter81965]

i think the issue is with the way in which the material is presented. rather than say 'it's okay, she isnt really 13 or 14 or whatever' we should question whether or not we want to assosciate ourselves with imagesthat represent underage girls being fucked by older men. at the end of the day, anyone wanking off to this pic is doing so because of the appearance of the picture rather than the underlying facts. in other words, if they can't get hold of pics of real kids being abused in this way, then they'll settle for a simulated version such as this.
i for one am having a long hard think about whether i can go on using a site that appears to condone this sort of imagery.

[orvar]

Just read what peter said he say´s it all... I have no further comments really.
Very good said dear peter,it shows that you´re a bright guy whit the heart at the right place...respect to you for what you said.
For me it´s like if you´re gonna allow this kind of stuff on the site,I´ll have to think it over seriousley if i wanna be a member of this site anymore,it gives me such a bad taste in my mouth...
Orvar.

[Rabbit1]

this site neither condems or condones any imagery--- As far as models trying to represent themselfs as younger ---that has been tried by many --and still goes on today ---as movies were made about cheerleaders --schoolgirls---it is a fetish if you will much like those who have fetishes of big boob(like me) or older women ---even water sports or scat---Now I am not a Tiny Tove fan --it is just not my thing----but neither do I believe in censorship of things that I do not like---it would be like me telling you because I do not like big titted women I am removing them from the site .

I have a do not like it do not look way about me---The US government is trying to censor all sites---and I do not like it---I believe every indivual has a right to look at what ever they want as long as it is legal---

I am a strong opponent of child porn----I detest it and have reported many sites and indivuals whom have tried to post it here and on the other sites I run. I scan everyday to make sure no underage people have registered on this site and the others I run.

Like I said I am no Tiny Tove fan --I agree that the way she was presented was to look underage ---but you know what ---it is not illegal to look underage as long as you are not.

it is like serving drinks in a bar to someone who looks underage---as long as his ID says he is legal ---then he has a right to drink ----I did reasearch on Tiny Tove the first time I saw some of her pics posted on another site ---because my first reaction was to delete them----and she was 18 at the time of her pictures and movies.

so not being the mind police or what every you want to call it ---I can not delete the pictures because I or a few others do not agree with them---like I said ---if you do not like them do not look ---just lilke I suggest if you do not like big titted women do not look at those pictures.

Now it would be a shame if a few good members decided that they did not want to be members here anylonger because they do not agree with perfectly legal pictures. But that will be their choice---We had some water sport pictures show up here ---hey guess what I do not like them either but I am not going to tell you what you should like or what you should or should not be able to see----Free means exactly that to me---you are free to see and do what ever you like as long as it is legal ---hell if you want to imagine some of these older women as your mother or grandmother ---who am I to tell you --you can't ---or even imagine them as you 18 year old daughter--that is up to you ---My job is not to censor ---it is to make sure the pictures uploaded are in fact legal---and put my personal likes and dislikes to the side--when doing this---And I would hope that all of you can do the same --live and let live----Now it is a hard job doing this ----especially when some scandinavian countries have a different outlook on legal age ---some allowed younger than 18 to appear in movies and photos ---case in point --seventeen ----is a group of pictures where all models wear a head band that says seventeen---most are above that age but are presented to be seventeen to all ----some that I did do reasearch on are seventeen--and there are just too many of the models for me to reasearch each one ---so I remove pictures with models that have seventeen headbans on.

Gentlemen please rethink your conclusions----I know it would upset you if I decided to remove pictures you like ---hell look at the sam fox thing we went thru ---because she was an 80s model ---But again weather you stay or leave that is your decision ---But like I said I do not believe in one group having a right to tell another what they can see ---as long as what they want to see is within legal bounds---sorry if this upsets you --- but I served my country to make sure this freedom was preserved and so did many of my relitives past and present.

[winger]

And so it goes....great post Rabbit!
Folks here know my stance as well, hell, I wrote to Rabbit about Tove long before I was a Mod bitchin about it, so instead of leaving I became a Mod to TRY and help this site become better...and it has with many great efforts by a great many folks throughout the world.
Whenever I get a little down I stroll over to Michelle Weber and gaze upon the TONS of pics I would have never seen if not for this place....give it a shot!

[winger]

I just uploaded a bunch of pics from members including these gems...you really want to leave and miss these? I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brother Orvar, Rosalie sez "Dont leave me, baby!"

[peter81965]

Rabbit, Winger,
Respect to you both and also to the other mods.
No doubt this is the best site out, and the good stuff outweighs the dubious stuff by a million times. i also appreciate your comment about serving in the interests of freedom, Rabbit, for which i tip my hat to you.
i think that as responsible consumers of adult material that we have a collective responsibility for examining the underlying moral isues, and i personally would find it hard to defend the Tiny Tove material or the arguement that it's okay because she was really 18. i still maintain that having a liking for underage girls is fundamentally different from having a liking for big tits, say, or blondes, as the societies from which most if not all of the members come undoubtedly do not condone sexual activity with minors.
Anyhow.
i've made my point and i'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.
best wishes to you all.
Peter

[Delighted]

This is the only porn website that I use. There is no point going elsewhere as far as I'm concerned because here, except for few well pointed out areas, there won't be that many images that would cause me a problem.

I agree with Peter81965 that TT is very problematical, especially if I were called upon to explain to the proverbial jury why certain images were on my PC. I cope by not clicking on images with her name in them, but I'd like to be sure that my cleanups are getting rid of the thumbnails as well!

Keep up the good work, one and all....moderating is not going to be straightforward for you and I'm glad that you filter out the worst excesses.

D

[charliels531]

I hate having this discussion when it comes up.

I just turned sixty. Brrrrr! But I've seen how things change. around the beginning of the 20th Century underage sex was considered awful and immoral and whatever else, and was severely punished by the law. Then in the 1920s things relaxed a bit and porn became the Great Evil that the law supressed for thirty years or so. Then paying for sex of any kind became the Great Evil. Good example: In 1970 there was a criminal proceeding brought against American Art Enterprises by Los Angeles County because the company had paid two actors to participate in sex while making a movie; the female partner, it was mentioned in the California Supreme Court opinion, was a convicted prostitute. The court mentioned in an aside that she was 14 years old. But in 1970 Los Angeles County didn't worry all that much about underage sex.

Values change; passions change. What is considered Great Evil in one decade is ignored in the next.

Anybody here see "One Flew Over the Cockoo's Nest"? Remember why the Jack Nicholson character was in the looney bin? He had sex with an underage girl. But when the book was written and the movie made, having sex with a 16-year-old was considered so minor that nobody cared. You'll search all the reviews of the book and the movie in vain looking for anyone critical of a story in which a child rapist is portrayed sympathetically.

Before we get too righteous, let's remember that the late Candy Barr was underage when she made "Smart Alec" after WW II. Anybody remember the first underage PMOM? I've heard consistent tales that at least two of the models in our Member's Gallery were underage when they started posing.

So far as I know, every picture that I've seen in all the galleries is of a woman over 18 years of age.

[winger]

As always, well thought and written, Charlie.
Check my post here:
http://www.myarchives.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=67753&catid=newposts&cutoffdate=1

[Rabbit1]

Rabbit, Winger,
Respect to you both and also to the other mods.
No doubt this is the best site out, and the good stuff outweighs the dubious stuff by a million times. i also appreciate your comment about serving in the interests of freedom, Rabbit, for which i tip my hat to you.
i think that as responsible consumers of adult material that we have a collective responsibility for examining the underlying moral isues, and i personally would find it hard to defend the Tiny Tove material or the arguement that it's okay because she was really 18. i still maintain that having a liking for underage girls is fundamentally different from having a liking for big tits, say, or blondes, as the societies from which most if not all of the members come undoubtedly do not condone sexual activity with minors.
Anyhow.
i've made my point and i'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.
best wishes to you all.
Peter


I agree with you that this is promlematic---and maybe not quite the same fetish ---but as long as it is a fantasy ---what is harmed ---there are alot of men who like their partners to dress up in pigtails and knee high socks---weather they are thinking of them as underage or not --I do not know ---

I do know this is not the place to condem anyone for their fantasies---like I said as long as they are legal -----and this is not the place to solve the worlds moral issues ----there are enough people in our governments trying to do this for us now ---if they all had their way all porn sites including this one would be shut down.---think that would cure the Tiny Tove problem?

or what an individual wants to fantasize about? I do not like people trying to control what I think or what I can look at----See the people trying to stop movies ---like the Passion of Christ----Who are they to tell me what to watch and what I can not---but they tried to keep it from being released

And all the junk about the TV show here in America ---the one about the minister who had a disfunctional family ----People did manage to limit where it was broadcast---and finally it died----Point is we all have different opinions and likes and dislikes---and I should not impose mine over your weather I like them or not ---should I be allowed to express my opinion on your view---damn right I should ----but I should not be allowed to keep you from viewing anything that is legal.

I well repeat my view on Tiny Tove ---I do not like it ---never will ---I think it is sick ---but my opinion and a dollar will get you a cheap cup of coffee. but it is my opinion and I have a right to speak it. and anyone has a right not to agree with my opinion and I will support their right to do so

Too many personal freedoms are disappearing as it is ---guess this is my small way of making a stand.

now I will get back off my soap box and enjoy some of wingers posts ---lol

[charliels531]

Rabbit, I saw the show about the minister and thought it had some good lines, like when he gave Jesus a lift in his car. After their chat, J.C. told him to feel free to quote Him...

And, as always, you've brought up a very good point. Most of us have very different feelings about a ten year old girl and a sixteen year old girl. The law does not. In most states there is a crime that used to be called "statutory rape". Now it is called "rape of a child", which sounds horrible. Laws are passed mostly by people for whom sex is not a very important part of their life, or at least they act that way.

My current (and final) wife once observed that she wasn't particularly interested in someone's sexual activities unless she was thinking of going to bed with them, and she thought that was probably true for lawmakers as well.

Most adult women who try to look 14 just look silly. When one of them pulls it off (like Virginia Felsome in Winger's link), it's interesting.

[charliels531]

I just uploaded a bunch of pics from members including these gems...you really want to leave and miss these? I think not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brother Orvar, Rosalie sez "Dont leave me, baby!"

Thanks, Winger. I haven't seen those two shots of Rosalie Strauss before. I'm impressed.

[Rabbit1]

Rabbit, I saw the show about the minister and thought it had some good lines, like when he gave Jesus a lift in his car. After their chat, J.C. told him to feel free to quote Him...

And, as always, you've brought up a very good point. Most of us have very different feelings about a ten year old girl and a sixteen year old girl. The law does not. In most states there is a crime that used to be called "statutory rape". Now it is called "rape of a child", which sounds horrible. Laws are passed mostly by people for whom sex is not a very important part of their life, or at least they act that way.

My current (and final) wife once observed that she wasn't particularly interested in someone's sexual activities unless she was thinking of going to bed with them, and she thought that was probably true for lawmakers as well.

Most adult women who try to look 14 just look silly. When one of them pulls it off (like Virginia Felsome in Winger's link), it's interesting.


Lol ---I do not watch much TV---but after all the hell was raised about the minister show before it aired ---I did make a point to watch one episode---I thought it was kind of funny ---but nothing I would have watched regular basis anyway ---and if they had not had it on the new so much may never have even saw it----So like this thread we have advertise Tiny Tove--most members would not even know that the pictures existed on here --unless they ran across them by accident---lol

[winger]

I was in the music business for years, the distribution end of pre recorded music that is. The Napster debacle only became a huge deal because the record labels screamed about it bringing with the screaming tons of press which in turn alerted many who never thought about it to try it and begin downloading free tunes.
Point is all this discussion does is bring those crappy pictures to the forefront and alert more and more members to them. Shit, let the damn pictures slide on by and move on to the real deal.

[shadowwolf]

Point is all this discussion does is bring those crappy pictures to the forefront and alert more and more members to them. Shit, let the damn pictures slide on by and move on to the real deal.

I agree with winger on this point about drawing attention to these pix. Until I read all the posts on this subject ( and looked at 3-4 of the pix ) I had no idea as to what was going on.

Now I do.

I served about a year in the U S Army...defending my country so that we could have certain freedoms. The freedom to worship how I want...to read what I want...and the right to call my younger sister "Stupid" when She gets busted for driving without insurance. ( LOL )

Now...these photos do nothing for me. Personally, I'm with Rabbit1..."Not my breed of cat". But, if that is what YOU, YOURSELF want...well, that's YOUR choice...and you do what you want with it.

Me? I'l take a set of Ushi, Busty Brown...even Kitten Natividad anyday. As Bertram A Chandler once stated: "It's a free Star System...says so right here...and I'm just here until my return ticket gets punched."

Now, If no one minds...I'm off to see if any new pix of Roxy Brewer have been posted. ( And will someone please let the dog out...He's barking at the door again):rolleyes:

[peter81965]

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our will, within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others."
~ Thomas Jefferson
the equal rights of others: that's the bit i'm on about. in so called civilised society we must respect the right of minors not to get fucked by adults, or to appear to condone it by distributing images of abuse!

[orvar]

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our will, within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others."
~ Thomas Jefferson
the equal rights of others: that's the bit i'm on about. in so called civilised society we must respect the right of minors not to get fucked by adults, or to appear to condone it by distributing images of abuse!

Excellent spoken dear peter and to Quote Thomas Jefferson whit these lines here also only shows even clearer what I said earlier,that you´re a bright guy whit the heart at the right place.
I respect you a lot peter for taking a stand in this matter and I agree whit you all the way.
Best regards from Old Orvar.