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munkki
02-07-2008, 03:30 AM
Request Natalie Banus pics
thanks

kevin
02-07-2008, 04:02 AM
There is a concern that she was underage when modeling same with Alison Howard.

munkki
02-07-2008, 06:18 AM
really? i didn`t know it :(

ozzfan2
02-07-2008, 05:42 PM
Well, I just found a crap ton online, but I won't post anything until I get the OK from the admins.

MiJahncin
02-07-2008, 07:51 PM
There is a concern that she was underage when modeling same with Alison Howard.

I saw some pics of Alison Howard a while ago. Judging from the look of them, I'd guess they date from the late 80's or early 90's. She appeared to be mid-late 20's, and it seemed like she had begun normal aging (it was most noticable around the eyes). I'm not saying you're mistaken, but that it's really hard to believe based on what I saw.

Micah

kevin
02-07-2008, 11:02 PM
Natalie Banus made her pin-up debut at the age of 15, on 6th September 1987 in the British tabloid newspaper "The Sunday Sport". Photographs appeared of her in bikini bottoms with her arms folded across her chest, hiding her prominent assets. The front page promised "just 30 days till Natalie goes topless" and there began the modelling career of perhaps one of the most published Page 3 Girls. Natalie Jay, her real name, was born on October 11th 1971

Excerpt from unofficial site.

Alison Howard started modeling at 16 and lasted maybe 2 years - from domingo.

munkki
02-08-2008, 12:19 AM
:o

kevin
02-08-2008, 12:39 AM
:o
Indeed munkki, it just goes to show you - it makes you wonder would they be able to get away with that today - or was there a stink when she appeared topless - which pics are the legal age ones - who the hell knows?
Better to err on the side of caution.

munkki
02-08-2008, 04:04 AM
i agree

MiJahncin
02-08-2008, 09:52 PM
Kevin, I'm going to start this by saying that your policy to err on the side of caution is unquestionably right.

I did a little research on Alison Howard, however, and found evidence that may contradict some of your info- but not all of it. I don't want to come across as argumentative, but I would like to present it as my search was quite educational. Also, your reply to my post about Alison makes it sound like I may not know what I'm talking about and I do want to respond to it. (In a civil tone- I don't think you intentionally were putting me down, just going with what you know.)

I'm going PM a link to you so you can verify my claims if you want. (Sorry guys, I won't send it out wholesale, the reasons why will be clear by the end of this post.)

1. I tracked the source of the Alison Howard pics I saw to a website with several photo sets of her. The sets were attributed to British magazines published in 1986, 88, 89, 90, 91, 93, and 94. Some years had more multiple photo sets. The publication date is often months (even longer) after the photographs were taken, but the range of publication dates suggests she was around for more than a couple of years.

The AH pics I thought were of a woman well into her twenties are from a 1998 American magazine layout. Looking at them again, I think my guess is a good one. The photo sets span 12 years (according to the pub dates).

2. The age of the model is markedly different when the early sets are compared to the 1998 set. The 1986 and 88 photos show a young Alison Howard. Really young. That aging around the eyes that I mentioned in my previous post- it's not there at all in these early shots. It's probable AH was underage when the pics were taken. The aging is present in the 98 photo set.

3. Some thumbnail math supports this last conclusion. Let's assume for a moment the website info is correct and the pub dates are accurate. Let's further assume the photos were taken about 6 months prior to publication and that she's mid to late 20's in the pics published in 98. Subtract 12 years from 20-anything and you have jailbait.

kevin
02-09-2008, 03:09 AM
Thank you Micah, apologies for my abruptness, you can now see the difficulty we have - I did not research AH - the source of my information was obviously wrong.

The later published pics confirm your original claim - middle 20's maybe, hard to pinpoint the age exactly. I get no joy at all in stopping anything from being posted here at My Archives - Unfortunately there are rules that must be followed to safegaurd the site.

charliels531
02-10-2008, 01:38 PM
Indeed munkki, it just goes to show you - it makes you wonder would they be able to get away with that today - or was there a stink when she appeared topless - which pics are the legal age ones - who the hell knows?
Better to err on the side of caution.

Yes, kevin, as you've guessed, the recent obsession with age is a very recent development in the United States. Prior to 1985 or so there were no limits on photography unless it involved sexually explicit shots.

I recall one specific case in California involving American Art Enterprises in which the Court of Appeals noted in a 1972 case involving a "fuck loop" that the female model was a 14-year-old prostitute. But the prosecution had been of the company for paying the models to have sex. The court considered the payment to be more significant than the age of the model.

Moreover, on three or four occasions Playboy has used photos of models who were under 18 when the pictures were taken.

I think that is why the most recent law from Congress exempts from the proof-of-age requirement anything taken before 1995.