View Full Version : Vintage is up to 1979
Mushashi7
12-10-2007, 01:56 PM
In my opinion vintage is not what comes after 1979.
I've seen some posts of material of newer date. I think there are plenty of sites where you can post and get this material if you like. A bit sad if this nice site should include the new stuff.
Just my 10 Cents.
Mush
kevin
12-10-2007, 09:52 PM
Those pics in question have been commented on in the gallery, they now reside in the private folder, the poster made a mistake, no problem - we all do it - some are bigger than others :smile:
Vintage to me means the 40's to the late 60's - then we have the golden era of boobdom the 70's!
Mushashi7
12-11-2007, 12:42 AM
Usually there are a limit of 25 years (a generation) for what is old.
I think your classification is ok, but being over 40 makes me feel the sixties are not 'quite vintage' yet *LOL*
There's so many sites with pictures. But this site is special for its Vintage area.
Had I known its existens I'd been here long ago.
Tony T
12-11-2007, 11:49 AM
Being over 60 makes me feel the 60's were the 'vintage' (as in wine) years!!:biggrin:
TT
charliels531
12-11-2007, 09:22 PM
I have no problem using 1979 as a cut off; my problem is twofold: 1) a fair number of paysites and newsgroup posters seem to feel that if they run out of real vintage pics, they can pirate a few from the '80s or even '90s; and 2) there were so many "one shoot" girls in the '60s and '70s that I'm never sure of identifications on unfamiliar models.
I must say that the "tit queen deluxe" site (which may be defunct) contributed a lot to my confusion by running black & white versions of later color shots. There was very little B&W work after 1980, so my eye is used to associating B&W with "vintage".
Mushashi7
12-11-2007, 11:28 PM
I have no problem using 1979 as a cut off; my problem is twofold: 1) a fair number of paysites and newsgroup posters seem to feel that if they run out of real vintage pics, they can pirate a few from the '80s or even '90s; and 2) there were so many "one shoot" girls in the '60s and '70s that I'm never sure of identifications on unfamiliar models.
I must say that the "tit queen deluxe" site (which may be defunct) contributed a lot to my confusion by running black & white versions of later color shots. There was very little B&W work after 1980, so my eye is used to associating B&W with "vintage".
That is why we are here, to avoid any confusion and correct the mistakes.
Isn't it?
To get the proper ID's of the models. Their active periods. And separate the new stuff from the vintage years.
That is my idea of all of this collecting now.
When you're young you almost can't breathe when looking at certain models. When you get older and have 'seen enough' your interest is what happens behind the scene and the history around it.
It's like collecting antique weapons, stamps etc.
Don't forget, we have an 80s section. :smile:
When you're young you almost can't breathe when looking at certain models. When you get older and have 'seen enough' your interest is what happens behind the scene and the history around it.
I wish I'd seen some of these models when I was like 8 or 9 years old!
charliels531
12-12-2007, 12:40 PM
That is why we are here, to avoid any confusion and correct the mistakes.
Isn't it?
To get the proper ID's of the models. Their active periods. And separate the new stuff from the vintage years.
Yes, I'm not disagreeing; but there are very good reasons why someone may post shots of a model who is not vintage. That's one reason why we have the i.d. thread. Several respected sites have been posting modern pics modified to look vintage, and there is an active effort by sites to shoot modern pictures made to look vintage from the shoot. For example, the "Java's Batchelor Pad" site runs periodic contests to find models who look vintage.
A few days ago I thought I had found a one-shoot wonder and posted an i.d. request, until winger informed me that she was in fact currently working. You can check the private folder for "Mavis?" and see whether you might have thought she was vintage. The pictures came from a site which advertises itself as "retro and vintage". In fact she's from the modern brit babes site, which is why I'd never seen her.
For example, the "Java's Batchelor Pad" site runs periodic contests to find models who look vintage.
Hardly any nudity, from what I saw http://www.myarchives.net/images/icons/icon13.gif
Mushashi7
12-12-2007, 03:40 PM
Exactly. It's a pain in the ass for newbies to sort out the 'fresh shot vintage' material.
Rule No. 1:
One should be aware of 'patina' (signs of aging) which is present in almost all real vintage material. Computer designed patina is easier to recognize as one should think. It is hard to make pictures or videos that have to look old.
Patina is never smooth or ordered in any way. Damage (as it actually is) will always be non logical and totally coincidental.
If you want to fake an image to look old it will take month of work. And people who wants to earn money usually doesn't have the time for this...
Rule No. 2:
Think of the material available for the era. What kind of film strip did they use (and how does age affect it?). What kind of paper did they have at hand? Was it glossy, matte? How does color behave on such medias etc.
RED IS WEAK in color material:
Common knowledge says that the RED color is the weakest of the three main colors; Red, Yellow and Blue (in technical printing terms: Cyan, Magenta and Yellow). The Blue and Yellow remains longer depending on the quality of the colors and photo paper they used.
So, if you see a picture with bright and powerful Red you should get suspicious at once. Asuming it has not been modified in Adobe PhotoShop (or whatever).
Adobe PhotoShop 7.0 has an incredible nice feature called 'Auto Color'. It means to bring back the original color in an image by adjusting the levels correctly. It often reveals fakes.
You must be aware that the deepest shadows must be black, not with tones of cyan, magenta or yellow, to give you the correct balance of the original used (or remaining) colors in an image.
Vintage to me means the 40's to the late 60's - then we have the golden era of boobdom the 70's!
I put movies into three groups: up to 1939 is vintage. 1940 to 59 classic, 1960 to 1989 retro. Those are when film formats changed IMHO, but its so difficult to put movies in sections. I still have 6 x 60 min movies dating from 1904 to 1934 to convert and upload. I do the same with magazines / photos and artwork, often a modern film is seem as a " classic " or future classic.
Mushashi, there're some really hot models in the 80s section; don't write it off because it's post-'79. I'd trade some pre-1980 models in for a few of the models in the 80s section, any day.
shadowwolf
12-13-2007, 06:43 PM
Yes, I'm not disagreeing; but there are very good reasons why someone may post shots of a model who is not vintage. That's one reason why we have the i.d. thread. Several respected sites have been posting modern pics modified to look vintage, and there is an active effort by sites to shoot modern pictures made to look vintage from the shoot. For example, the "Java's Batchelor Pad" site runs periodic contests to find models who look vintage.
A few days ago I thought I had found a one-shoot wonder and posted an i.d. request, until winger informed me that she was in fact currently working. You can check the private folder for "Mavis?" and see whether you might have thought she was vintage. The pictures came from a site which advertises itself as "retro and vintage". In fact she's from the modern brit babes site, which is why I'd never seen her.
That is why I come to this place...as it is the only site that I can trust NOT tp place 'retro-ed' material up; marking it as "true vintage".
I can trust people like Kevin, Master Ovar ( or does He prefer 'Ovar66' now? ), Charliels531, etc, not to be "screwing us around". They give us the 'straight boobs and butts" and try to make sure that their additions fit in here.
My hat is off to them!!!:smile:
Oh, and, PS: before I forget...Season's Greetings to all!
Mushashi7
12-13-2007, 06:45 PM
Mushashi, there're some really hot models in the 80s section; don't write it off because it's post-'79. I'd trade some pre-1980 models in for a few of the models in the 80s section, any day.
Oh, no, please don't misunderstand me.
There are great models in all time periods. We also have our 'classic models' today. I collect a lot of this material as well.
The reason I started this thread was to define what 'Vintage' and 'Retro' really is.
There are PLENTY of sites dealing in the newer models. No sweat: The material is easy to come by.
But to keep track of years that slowly vanishes in the mist each day that passes is much harder. Every day someone dies, and his knowledge with him. Thereby the truth/facts will be gone forever - if nobody publish it in some way.
I must admit the need to preserve info and material on the newer models have to be done as well before it is forgotten, or non obtainable.
Writing biographies with info is a necessary task.
Take a look at the Spiderpool group at Yahoo. They are digging in deep. But they must use tremendous amounts of time and efforts to get the info the want.
I guess the terms 'Vintage' and 'Retro' is objectively seen by each person - according to the time he/she was born into.
Actually the period 1880 to 1940 should have more investigation than it gets.
We know almost noting about it. And the info is even harder to get from this period than from 1940 and onwards. Papers, magazines, radio, television all helped to distribute information. Today the internet is even more effective.
How many of you have material and info on models from before 1940?
(assuming you had any interest in it).
I have 6 full movies prior to 1940, 30 short movies, etchings, photos etc, am still looking for more.
pinnochio
12-15-2007, 04:44 AM
I put movies into three groups: up to 1939 is vintage. 1940 to 59 classic, 1960 to 1989 retro. Those are when film formats changed IMHO, but its so difficult to put movies in sections. I still have 6 x 60 min movies dating from 1904 to 1934 to convert and upload. I do the same with magazines / photos and artwork, often a modern film is seem as a " classic " or future classic.
This seems to me an acceptable and logical way to catalogue movies. Must be an age factor though, because at 60+ I much prefer the vintage and classic sections. Apart, that is, from the future classics in the style of movies like Russian Rural Holiday.
Thanks PhD for all your imput.
Mushashi7
12-15-2007, 05:03 AM
Well. Antique dealers have a general rule that says:
25 years old = semi antique (retro)
50 years old = antique (vintage)
The border changes every day ;)
But some of us stands still in time *cough*
Maybe we also should stick to this rule?
iainmasterton
09-20-2008, 03:25 PM
i suppose vintage depends on when you were born. vintage to me is the 70s and early 80s because that was my teen and early 20s. if you were born later then it would be the 80s and the crap silicone filled 90s